swilliams
2 posts
Oct 14, 2009
7:29 PM
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Its most likely a sore subject with Bikes and or quads rather it be A,B or C class. But I would just like to point out that denial is a bitch. When you scan through overall finishes or just class lap times and see that C class riders are cranking out mph or lap time numbers comparable to those in the A,B or pro class. I think if your that advanced of a rider in a begginer class you may want to man up and jump to another class. Ive seen course cutting, Ive seen sore losers.Im not just talking about MWXC. Its a lot of racing series. To me sandbagging is no different. If you feel the need to sign your name to a class thats not going to challenge you then your racing for the wrong reasons. The challenge is what its all about. No not everyone gets the same thrill as the racers flying through trees. But im sure the spectators believe in sportsmanship. This isnt the MWXC nor IXCR series doing. Its the racers that are in denial... Just had to say that. Dont mean to offend anyone but im sure im not the only one that feels this way.
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450r
33 posts
Oct 16, 2009
4:52 AM
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there are alot of people/racers that feel that way. and as you said its up to the racer to fix it. as you see most series will not do nothing about it with the exception of certain names they do in certain series. and names do not have to be mention they know who they are and what series that does it. but i do agree with you. most of the time these comments only bother the guilty ones so dont worry about offending anybody.
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KTM250F#406
4 posts
Oct 16, 2009
4:56 AM
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I'm not deffending anyone, but just consider this before you judge people you have never seen race, or raced with before! Understand that when people ride certian classes in a National series they will prob be faster than riders in the same named class in the local series! For example, If you race in the B class in the national series, chances are you are going to be faster than the B riders on any given local level. So before you judge thoes riders for overalling better than most the guys in their class and the class above them, do you homework to see what they are racing for season pts!!! I understand the Local Level is for thoes that can't hack it, or don't want to hack it at the National Level, but don't bring down riders who come to race a local race, on an off national weekend. You should welcome the competition!!! You should want some one to chase, not just the same 'ol people you race with ever weekend! How will you get better if you have no one to chase or to push you? Next time please take where thoes riders are from or what they race on a regular baises before you judge them. Maybe if you go to a different series and over all your class by min that people will think you are "sand bagging", or "cheating"? You may just be use to a harder series or just plain out ride them! So if you don't like getting beat by riders that your not use to seeing on your playground, work your tail off to get better and faster and it won't be a problem next time! Simple as that! Maybe racing a series or a place out side of your comfort zone will help you rider harder and faster? Just use your head before you judge please, and have tact and class when you commetnt on a public site!!
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swilliams
3 posts
Oct 16, 2009
7:13 AM
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Well it seems as if I struck a nerve with mr ktm. 450r it seems as if you were right. The guilty are those that get pissy when you use the term sandbagging. I'm sorry ktm but I disagree. If your racing at a higher level than those in your class then the only direction is up. You can always go a little faster, ride a little harder, push yourself to the next level. However, I do agree with mr ktm that it is nice to size yourself up to someone who is faster. But if your the guy blowing everyone away in your class and continue to race in that class you are in everyway a sandbagger and don't understand the meaning of competion. For instance Barry Hawk would not sign up in a A B or C class. Just because he would have no competion. There again that would be sandbagging. So there you have it mr ktm if you can't see the light on this one your just as ignorant as te rest of the sandbaggers. I realy don't care what you think. If you don't like the truth then don't read it. Regaurdless if it's a public site. It's not like it's a huge secret that there are such riders out there.
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kdxrider
4 posts
Oct 16, 2009
7:24 PM
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I agree, swilliams and 450r. when you consistently finish with pro racers and continue to sign up in classes below that you are sandbagging. Let's face it the pros even have a head start on all other classes. Everyone improves over the season but when you finish your first race of the season that way the only thing you are doing is cheating the real winner of that class out of his glory.
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shortracing_84
19 posts
Oct 17, 2009
4:55 PM
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To all of you: read the national rules before making some of your comments. There are alot of series which state it for run a certain class in one series you have to run it in another. We all know who you are talking about and there has already been a thread about the kid. He has qualified for his year end points in his class and will be moving up.
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ktmrooster
75 posts
Oct 18, 2009
5:18 PM
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Here's how you stop sandbagging: put the class designation on the awards. Or make them different colors:
C class- pink
B class- green
A class- blue
And make the A class awards the biggest, B class a little smaller and C class awards should be pocket-sized. Let Mr. Sandbagger show off his tiny, pink plaque after every race. All of a sudden, the A class is popular again!
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Andy Bridgewater
125 posts
Oct 18, 2009
5:51 PM
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Hahaha!
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swilliams
4 posts
Oct 18, 2009
6:28 PM
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Oh damn, I thinkni started a cult againsts sandbagging haha. Thanks to all for support along with
my protest. I was certain that someone would dissagree with what I had to say I guess now that's the only way to make the sandbaggers surface and show us who they really are. The biggest difference between a sandbaggers and a competitive racer is that a competitive racer can tell a sandbagger what it feels like to actually earn your position!
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kdxrider
6 posts
Dec 21, 2009
11:20 PM
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since you brought up the nationals, and the season is over, I have one last comment I did my research and found in 2008 Round 13 - Ironman - Crawfordsville, IN
GNCC ATV a.m. - Sportsman A/B
Machine: Honda Class Finish: 2 / Overall Finish: 13 not bad for a C-class rider or on the overall considering over 400 racers started
Last Edited on 21-Dec-2009 11:29 PM
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KTM250F#406
6 posts
Jan 10, 2010
11:00 AM
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B. RIDER ELIGIBILITY AND CLASSIFICATION:
Click HERE for the complete 2010 GNCC Series Class Chart
1. "A" Classes
a. All riders in the top 10 overall ranking in any regional or state hare scrambles
series.
b. All "B" Class Champions and "B" riders ranked second or third in the previous
year's GNCC who won at least four races.
c. All riders that have ever qualified for the American ISDE Trophy or Junior
teams, excluding the Masters/Golden Masters class.
d. All riders that have an "A" ranking in any other off-road series. This applies to
both AMA and non-AMA sanctioned events.
e. Age Divisions - "B" riders who won four or more races the previous year.
2. "B" Classes
a. All "C" class championships in the previous year's GNCC.
b. All "C" riders ranked in the top five of their class earning at least 50% of the
points earned by the class champion in the previous year's GNCC. Ranking is
based on year-end series points and not the banquet awards.
c. All riders that have a "B" ranking in any other off-road series. This applies to
both AMA and non-AMA sanctioned events.
d. "B" riders placing in the top 20 overall at any given event will be moved to the
"A" class the following event.
e. Age Divisions: "C" riders ranked in the top five of their class earning at least
50% of the points earned by the class champion in the previous year's GNCC
are eligible to advance to the next younger "C "division, in lieu of advancing to
"B", if applicable. Ranking is based on year-end series points and not the
banquet awards. Once this option is exercised, the rider must remain in the
younger age division for at least 5 years.
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KTM250F#406
7 posts
Jan 10, 2010
11:11 AM
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Now just so no one gets confused!! I am a Women who rides the Women's class in D-17.. I am not a sandbager nor have I ever been. However, racing in D-17 Women's in 2009 was quite a trip for me!! I started off in 08 getting 5th and 6th places, then in 09 was winning right off the bat! The only other competition there realy was was one other Women out of about 5 or 6 every weekend. It was a battle between her and I all year long. We would lap the third place women many weekends in a row. Was I suppost to just bump to the C class in a District race when the other Women I was going head to head with in pts didn't show up?? No... I stayed in my class like I would have if she was there. Many people wanted to bump here and I to the C class because of our bike size.. We were leagel though.. Stayed with in the rules.. Was I suppose to let a Championship go because people weren't happy they were getting beat?? No!!! I spent the money too, every weekend like every one else!! So next time some one who has the commentment to race a National Series, (money and time), beats you in your backyard (a local series).. Dont' judge them.. They may have started out with low race results and got better over the year.. They can't move up in the local series because that would cause them to get moved up in the National Series. They paid there money and time too, to get that Championship!! So put your big girl panties on and Sack Up Sally!! Just deal with it one or two races a year because chances are they are not going to be at Your Race every weekend!! If you don't like it.. Go beat'em!!!
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racemx904
2 posts
Mar 13, 2010
2:00 PM
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Stop sandbaggers....just make a transfer system...its not only up to the rider but the series....out west heres how it goes...finish 7 times in the top 10% and move from beg to novice...4 more to move up to intermediate and 3 more to move up to expert...so just do that MWXC
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oldcat
46 posts
Mar 14, 2010
6:20 AM
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some sand bagging can be stopped by copying AMA rules.
No year end awards for C classes.
I'm done talking going to go ride in the rain. boy it's a cold wet 50 deg here.
It's like beating a dead horse, it aint going anyware anyways,, like me :^)
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stuntjake912
12 posts
Mar 15, 2010
1:46 AM
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I agree with KTMrooster on the size of the trophys/plaques.
I also see somewhat of a point made of a National B rider then you race at a Tiny Series B class and its not nearly the same competition. But You should never finish up two classes ahead of you if the riders are all in the right class. B National rider doesnt finish with Pro Locals.
Its the Series responsibility to make sure that races advance properly.
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